Everton Banter Archive November 10 2013

 

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10 Nov 2013 21:24:57
5 points off top and 11 games in.

Time for us to take gloves off and now become ruthless and destroy a few sides.

Patience is a virtue and if we have got the ball for 70% if the time then the opposition haven't, therefore they can't play.
RM now has to find a balance within the squad to open up these teams that sit deep and defend with guts and glory. I would take 1 nils if that's how teams want to play us.
A win is a win.
Still in there guys. Keep going.
Lets keep behind the team.
#coyb

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10 Nov 2013 22:04:12
Cracking post, cookie for you too!

Mike-Ox Long

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Good post AW .rome wasnt built in a day.wouldnt swap what we have now to return to dithering dave and his ways!we have to find a way to overcome the opposition who camp in their own half, game plan knowing are fullbacks avnt the room to come through! what's annoying is the system is getting played for the whole game when its clear sometimes its not going to work some games and other ploys are needed to give the opposition problems they havnt set themselves up for even if its over a period of the game because at the moment its the same tactics being used by the sides we are struggling to beat!still well happy with roberto, s start and outlook just hope he finds plan b! joe scouse blue

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I agree with the possesion stats being good but the large majority of the time we do nothin with it, then they hit one long ball up and there away, at 0 0 we need to be faster and more decisive

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Yes let's go back to aimless lobbing the ball in from the fullback positions and watching the ball come straight back at us.

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10 Nov 2013 20:46:45
roberto has'nt time to sort this juddery blip were in now.a lot of players away on international duty and the reds up next.
in my opinion the team are looking more uncomfortable over the last few games
a lot of the passing is either to the side or backwards, with more and more pressure on the back four, meaning the midfield is doing more defending than attacking.not running the team down or rm but against spurs and especially palace i'm thinking here we go again
irish blue

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10 Nov 2013 19:32:09
Please will you all take a reality check?
Some of the posts on here are ludicrous. People slagging each others view. People slagging certain players and others ex players or the manager.
Try this for size.look at the league table and our position. Look at the number of clean sheets we have had. More importantly, look how many games we have lost!! Now name me another team in the premiership that has won all of their games and looked brilliant in each one. You are allowed to choose any team including the ones assembled with ridiculous amounts of money. eg Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Spurs and even the Arsenal who only spent 41 million on one player! etc. In fact only Southampton can match us for 1 loss this season! Yes we have played below our usual high standard in the last 2 games and yes some players look uncomfortable at times, but look at the table. It's reality time!!!
Degsypulford

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Sensible comments by the OP.
KevinM

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We've also failed to score in 1/3rd of our league games.

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10 Nov 2013 20:22:01
Great post degsy, cookie for you

Mike-Ox Long

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Absolutely spot on that Degsy

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100% agree.

We support Everton, and us drawing at Palace was no shock to me, because the team we support is that sort of team. I'm only 16, but I'm old enough to know that is how Everton works. We always seem to screw those game up. By that I mean teams who are in such bad form that on paper it's the equivalent of playing a lowly placed Championship team, as well in terms of quality. But that is it with Everton; we do it the hard way. A point feels like a loss, but City (for example) have dropped points against teams that we have picked up all 3 against - and they'll still be right up there at the end, not to mention we're currently ahead of them.

Take all of that (basically the way football works) into consideration and add it to the facts of our club at the moment: a new manager, new style of play, new first team players. Once you've added them facts to the way football works, look at the table and think: is it really all that bad?

If you listen to half of the people on hear, you'll be thinking that our season is over because we dropped two points at a very poor side. But, guess what? City, Chelsea, Man Utd., Liverpool, Spurs have all done the same but they'll still be fighting for their ambitions come April.

And think about the alternative side, was a point really two points lost on the other teams? Think about this: we played a team who, no matter who it came against, we're always going to end their poor form at some point! They were basically playing with freedom because they had no expectations put on them (similar to us against the 'big' teams). In essence, they had nothing to lose.

If people think we are in big schtuck (from Only Fools) then they have no brain cells. As stated, Chelsea, Livepool, City, United, etc. have all dropped points against teams like Palace (relegation fodder) and will do so again before the season is over.

So you're looking at it that we are the only team to drop points against Palace themselves? Well, City lost to Villa (at Villa), we didn't. We drew at Palace, City haven't played them yet, nor have Chelsea, etc. And even if they win, it's no disadvantage because we picked up points against teams they failed to.

We're 6th. 5 points off top. And as I said, consider everything, is it that bad? The answer is no. Most would have killed to be in this position when they found out we would have a new manager, style of play, players, etc.

It's not the end of the world, it's the beginning of a revolution - like at Man Utd. Before May, there'll be more days like yesterday, but that is the same for the other teams aiming for what we are. That is football. Deal with it.

We're Everton, we do it the hard way!

I for one look at that match yesterday and think that at the end of the season, it may well be a point gained as this season is so unpredictable. I wouldn't be surprised if City, Chelsea, etc. also slip up there. No one is guaranteed a win.

Ok, I rambled on there, but perhaps it's a good thing that I did because some fans need to hit reality: Our league position, combined with the new manager, style of play, etc. really is a good thing.

Did you say the same thing when we beat Chelsea. We will also hit bad form, like Palace, but that doesn't mean we won't return to how we were when we beat West Ham, Chelsea, Villa and Hull.

Please guys, see long term reality, not short term negatives.

If we beat the reds, all the negative people will like 'the sky's the limit' again,

Life's good. COYB.

Rant over.

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Everyone has the right to express their opinions whether they be right or wrong, Are people always being ludicrous if you don't agree with them?.

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That's all very well and interesting, but if we carry on playing as we are at the moment have a look at the league table in another 11 games, we won't be winning many games, don't forget CP are the worst team in the league, not kept a clean sheet in 10 games and made us look like a relegation team not a team that is 6th, whether you or any of us like it there has to be changes we can't carry on the way we have been.

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Sorry but we just did not play well yesterday. It seems to me that we are to predictable and it looked like our movement off the ball is not has good as it has been, we just look sluggish. Now teams have worked out that we are trying to play from the back they either presss us high eg spuds or sit back and defend like palace. Either way this is putting pressure on our players to find that killer pass in the final third. It will be interesting to see how RM adapts the style of play to try to breakdown teams. For me we just don't have the personal to play a completely patient game, if we could just mix it up a litle and play with more tempo IMO we would cause a lot more problems for teams in the final third. Still we have had a pretty good start to the season so far I just hope we can lift the performance for the next match. COYB

SA90

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Keith EFC a true Blue. Nice post mate.
Degsypulford

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Upon re-reading my reply, I now notice how much I waffle on. It's hard though when you're so passionate about your club. It's like when I have to do an essay in college or something: at first I have no idea what to put, but when I get going I can't stop.

I recently had a 2000 word essay, but once I'd finished it was 2600 words because I always think of more and more to put into it once I get moving.

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Cheers DegsyP. Us blues stand together. So please everyone, quit the moaning and enjoy where we are.

We're exceeding all expectations. A BT 'expert' - use the term loosely - predicted us to finish 15th.

Enjoy the fact we can laugh in most faces at how stupid the are.

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I think results have been papering over the cracks. We've not put 2 decent consecutive halves together and have only really clicked in the first half vs Newcastle, 2nd vs West Ham and final 30 of the Villa game. The rest of the time we've been ineffective and ponderous, with no cutting edge or cohesion.
It's all very well having 70% possession but it doesn't mean a damn thing if you create nothing. The opponent can't score but neither can we, with the laboured build up play and pointless passing it round the back.
Make no mistake we've been very lucky to get some of the wins we have and had some of the sides we've played had half decent strikers we'd have been out of most of the games before we'd got out of first gear.
This is not a knee jerk reaction to one result but a culmination of poor performances. If it continues we're in for a spanking pretty soon. They need a rocket up their rear end's because some of them are coasting and are too comfortable with their positions in the team.

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Poeple thinking we should of won a game against a team that has lost of 9 out of there 10 games before we played them dosnt make them a bad fan, if you wanna post to get back some nice replys about how right you are and how you know so much and your a true blue then good on you.

we have arsenal, lpool and man united in next 4 fixtures so i'd of thought a win against a awful team was a must?

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By the way keith the only team to drop points to palace are sunderland, so mentioning teams like city and chesea means nothing

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Yes, but they haven't played them yet, meaning there's always the possibility they'll slip up, and if they don't what have we lost? Because we've picked up points against teams they haven't.

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10 Nov 2013 15:41:15
I'm starting to get really worried now this style of play "Tip Tap" IMO is just not working for us we put our selves under pressure because were getting closed down to quickly and tend to panic, the last couple of games have been very poor and boring we are going side ways or backwards, it's all very well having 70 odd percent possession but nothing going forward, was it 2 shots on target yesterday, I hope Lukaku is not going to go the way of Jelly not getting any service. RM for me has to make changes KM, LO, SP are not playing good enough to be in the starting eleven at the moment, i'm not saying drop the three in one go but make changes gra dually, I also think Lukaku needs more help up front may be bringing Hope on from the bench just to try and change things as we are so predictable if LB and SP arn't able to create chances nobody else is. KK.

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Dont worry about lukaku mate, the ball wasnt sticking to him like normal, add to that when he did get it to feet he had palace players all over him they were sitting so far back

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10 Nov 2013 14:40:28
C'mon guy sing for the Manager, (we the 12thplayer)The players hear us singing insupport of Bobby would drive em on! If like yesturday its all over the field bar their goal mouth;we

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10 Nov 2013 13:14:31
Somebody is posting on here claiming to be me. I will never make a post without logging in first. {Ed025's Note - i will make a note of it micky..

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10 Nov 2013 12:42:55
we missed fellainis height and power in air . we desp now for big tall powerful midfielder .Osman McCartney piennar etc too small and Barclay not great in the air . palace and spurs defenders had easy days . your views please t.p.

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10 Nov 2013 13:17:30
We don't miss him, we would be out the top ten if he was still here playing poorly, we are no longer a hoof the ball team and thank god fellaini has gone, get over it

Mike-Ox Long

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Amazing how our best player over the last three years has somehow become the worst just because he has moved on. Get over it.

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That's rubbish we still playing high balls into box and we can't win a header . our corners are so simple now for defenders to deal with .so you get over it because its a big problem t.p.

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10 Nov 2013 14:31:41
Our best player over the last three years? Lol, baines, jagielka and distin have all been better, so why bother? let's buy him back for 30m then or swap barkley plus 20m for him if it upsets you that much, I will trust bobby's judgement by selling fellaini for the good of the team over you being hurt by him going oh and that lukaku is just terrible isn't he? No power whatsoever, so weak.

Mike-Ox Long

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You are the only one talking about buying him back . I just stated we need more height and power our most dangerous headers have been tim cahill and fellaini simples get over it .t.p.

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10 Nov 2013 17:17:21
I didn't say anyone else said anything about buying him back, they are no longer here and we are not playing permanent hoof the ball so a good header of the ball and a strong midfielder is not needed in the modern game, barca don't have a powerful header of the ball or a strong midfielder do they? Go and complain about them aswell so your use of 'get over it' was pointless and made no sense what do I need to get over?

Mike-Ox Long

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This is the sarcastic comment that you made in the first place so if you don't like it then don't give it out just get over it .and your barca comments in my humble opinion are stupid . rvp just scored with a header now v arsenal does that mean barca would not want him t.p.

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10 Nov 2013 18:58:08
Barely understood that and of course barca would have him and scoring one header does not make you a powerful and great header of the ball, pienaar scored one last season, why not play him up front and hoof it because in your logic he is a great header, no?

Mike-Ox Long

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Ok mike thanks for the banter we will call it a draw . regards t.p .

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10 Nov 2013 20:19:43
Okay t.p na night

Lots of love-Mike-OxLong

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Cant believe I have just read all that,, girliest argument ever, by the way when felli played dm for us he rarely got in the box and that's were he wants to play.

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10 Nov 2013 12:18:54
Was anyone at the palace game to witness what exactly was exchanged with Distan and a fan?

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10 Nov 2013 11:40:45
To clarify the whole Distin thing, I went yesterday, I didn't hear what he said but basically he came over to clap at the end, but just one supporter stood there with his arms held up, while the rest clapped. Distin did the same, then called the guy over and they had a heated debate, and from what I heard from people who know the guy, Distin basically said something along the lines of "why can't our fans be like palaces? supporting their team, the support is too negative".

Now I don't know if that's what he said exactly, but if he did then it is bang out of order, because what was on show yesterday was appalling and 2841 people paid good money to go and see that. The support was a bit subdued but we did all we could to get behind the team with very little to get excited about, and it's put our name in the gutter.

Just go on twitter and search "everton fans", we have been dragged through the mud, not that it bothers me or anyone else, it's harsh.

Now it's wrong that the players should be subject to abuse from their own supporters, but Distin is a professional, there are people like that at every club, players have to accept that, he gets paid 30k a week to play for us, so he has to understand that people will have their opinion and not everyone is going to accept a 0-0 draw away at palace.

What do you make of the whole Distin incident?

Alex

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If a player goes over to their own fans and gets abused, my guess is in heat of the moment they might say something back. The so called fan who abused him is the one bang out of order. Players get paid to play football. People pay to watch football, that's how it works. It's not a reason to condone hostile behaviour towards own team just because they didn't quite perform how they should. 1 defeat all season. Anyone daring to criticise the team at this stage of the managers new tenure needs to give their heads a good old wobble.

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10 Nov 2013 11:00:02
I've read a couple of reports about the "discussion" Sylvan Distin had with a supporter yesterday. As I know you can never believe a word sports reporters write, can anyone who was there let us know what was actually said? Cheers.

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10 Nov 2013 10:17:38
All the negativity. COYB. Shame on u people, Ossie is a 1st teamer, whom do u lot think pulls the strings (players play 4 the team/Told by Bobby how to play/be it forward backwards sideways)its called doing a Job. If Bobby started players who go for the kill against smaller teams great but yesturday was BACKWARDS & Only manager to blame! Should of started as we finished & finished as we started/kept hold of the ball, blame the manager first then HIS team! Mickeyblueeyes

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10 Nov 2013 08:39:11
Dissapointed with the performance yesterday, no urgency at all.We seemed content to just keep possession . As the old saying goes "goals win games". The quality of service and delivery from the flanks wether from the two fullbacks or wide men was very poor, Bainsey I would just call that a blip, but mirallas, s form lately doesn't warrant a start imo.You can tell within the first 5 minutes what type of game you will get out of him.The lads got all the skill and pace to worry anyone maybe playing him behind the front man would bring the best out of him instead of being on the wing and being asked to track back and tackle, which is not his strong point.

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Baines has been abysmal since Christmas. It's not just a blip. Coincidence since it was known moyes was going? He doesn't seem to be interested any more.

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10 Nov 2013 14:33:56
Abysmal since christmas? Wow that is hilarious, have a sleep, wake up take a good hard look at yourself and laugh

Mike-Ox Long

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Nice one mike. When I seen that reply to my post I p*ssed laughing.I thought here is someone who hasn't got a clue and is not worthy of a reply.Thanks for putting him straight.Also I notice the said poster was nameless.

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I concur with the 'anonymous' poster. He's been very poor by his previous extremely high standards. May be abysmal is a bit strong but he's been pretty ordinary.
Something I disagree with though is anyone who dares to have an alternate opinion is immediately branded clueless and told to lie down and laugh at themselves. Football is a subjective game, you know?
Granville.

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Mike, I'd do the same if I were you, and I'd suggest you tried to grow up whilst you're at it. Your infantile retorts are getting tiresome.

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10 Nov 2013 19:07:47
I understand granville and I meant to be harsh, he hasn't been great this season but even ordinary since christmas isn't fair mate, he got in the team of the year last season, if he was abysmal since christmas then every left back in the prem must of been absolutly awful from christmas onwards, I didn't brand him clueless once, he simply exagerrated how average baines has been this season which is why I exagerrated my reply and to my anonymous stalker who loves to say I am infantile, don't read my posts then, sign up and we can have a one v one little thing going on if you dislike me that much, quite frankly you seem to be 'throwing your toys out the pram' :)

Mike-Ox Long

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10 Nov 2013 19:48:44
In fact granville, I now feel immensly cruel for my first reply to the lad who said baines has been crap since christmas, it was not nessasary or needed so apologies first replier, but I still don't think he has been below par from christmas onwards though

Mike-Ox Long

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Hey lads come on what's all this with the apologies? Everyone is free to speak there mind in this country. Unless someone personally attacks someone and personally insults them per se, a bit of banter which what it is, should not be perceived as a personal attack on someone.

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Not you Mike, re clueless comment, jimmy below said the poster 'hasn't got a clue' or words to that effect. No big deal, he just hasn't seemed the same player to me. It may be just me, who knows but he's knocked 2 corners behind in successive games, when has that happened before? Granted, that's very recent and not since Christmas but his consistency and body language has looked off. And aside from the free kicks this season, he's hardly put in a good cross. Maybe I'm expecting too much from him as he set the bar ridiculously high?
Granville.

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10 Nov 2013 22:03:09
I think he is just waiting until january and then he will go but if not it could be down to our play style, under moyes it was cross whenever possible, under bobby it is cross when needed which isn't often, he seems to pass inwards to barry or mccarthy rather than cross it, but as for the crosses he has put in being poor I can't help you with that, you can't forget to cross overnight, but all in all I would put it down to him simply not being arsed anymore, I just pray I am wrong and this is just a dip in form

Mike-Ox Long

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For the record, I have nothing against Baines at all, in fact, if I could have a 'favourite' player at my age, at this moment in time, it would be him.
Granville. {Ed025's Note - baines has set a very high standard for himself granville, so when he has an average game it looks like he is under performiing..well thats my view..

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09 Nov 2013 23:08:55
was the same type of performance as the 3 opening games! looked clueless in the last 3rd of the pitch! passing sideways, backwards or anywhere rather than going for the kill against a rather poor team who comfortably kept us out!weve gone backwards in the last couple of displays and need a proper kick up the backside to get a result against them thingyohs across the way!

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