Everton Banter Archive March 10 2013

10 Mar 2013 20:33:53
Am I missing something here? 43 years after going to my first game, and after visiting some 80 odd away grounds, some of them many times, I've witnessed some brilliance and some dross too. Yes fellas, yesterday, and indeed the last 3 months have been very very disappointing, but for God's sake, don't put the blame for our current state solely at Moyes's door. We are run by a board who, for whatever reason, refuse to spend money. Southampton, QPR, Stoke, West Ham and many more have spent more cash than us in recent times. The reason we are so peed off, in my opinion, is that we expect to reach semi finals/finals and finish top 4 purely because Moyes has given us that hope. Personally, I think he's probably taken us as far as he can under the circumstances, and we'll never know what he could of done with the money that shower across the park have had, negative at times undoubtedly, perhaps his downfall, but for crying out loud he has given us back the pride we lost under Walter Smith. If he does leave, then I hope its not on bad terms with the supporters, he deserves far better. and for all the aggressive anti Moyes supporters, be careful what you wish for. Park Ender

Do agree parkender if he does leave he does not leave under a cloud as he deserves better than that and yes the board are to blame for there constant lack of finances for are manager he really has worked wonders and has brought the pride back but you must see after 11 years and no silverware and we have had some good teams in that 11 years I think when it matters he seems to plot his own downfall never again will we have a better chance to get to a cup final and with that a place in Europe with

10 Mar 2013 20:29:57
A big thanks to david moyes and phil neville in particular for f*****g up are season in 90 mins of utter and complete inept garbage football why continue playing an international holding midfielder as your second striker is a joke fellaini is not the man to come from deep to run on to the knock downs or get in behind the defence to a flick on we have velios anichebe naysmith all strikers getting splinters in there arse or shopping in liverpool one on a saturday afternoon instead of doing there bit on the green stuff stuborn moyes yet again 4-4-1-1 at home yet wigan come and play 4-3-3 as the away team and completely hammer us the reds are above us now and with 5 very tough away games I think we should now just watch are season petre out and hopefully a new manager in place don't forget moyes got his chance following a 3-0 defeat in the 6th round at boro and yesterday was an even worse performance than that almost 11 years later still no silverwear but same s**t performances the board are as bad if not worse than moyes because they won't put any money in either I think they should all go but kenwright who lauds moyes should also sell up and p*ss off but will we ever get rid of this person I have supported everton for 56 yrs and am completely devastated after yesterday I feel sorry for all the young fans who under moyes and the kenwright regeme will never see siverwear won by are great club again it seems money generated from premier league football is there real holy grail a broken hearted blue even more so after the cup draw now only 5th will guarantee euopa league football no chance of that either fortune favours the brave just ask laudrop and martinez both will have there teams in europe next year take note moyes and kenwright attacking football and money invested gives you just rewards.

10 Mar 2013 19:56:27
Gentlemen can I just point something out here. Many years ago we took a chance with a young manager from a lower league. For the next eleven years we have been led to believe we are building through youth as we lack finances to compete in the market. This means that a 11/12 year old kid playing for the club then would now be 22/23. My question is where are they all? What happened to the youth system? Who exactly have we brought through in the last five years? If you can't develop a strong academy in ten years then surely your time is up. And before you all dive in with names, think are they actually playing regularly for the first team. Just my thoughts.

10 Mar 2013 19:26:52
Millwall or Blackburn is the second kick in the face in the past 2 days.

1) I took Moyes 20 minutes to change back to the correct wingers?

2) It was clear to 'most' of us that Wigan had a midfield full of aggression, pace and hunger - we have a finished right back and a player who has & is 'out of form'.

Moyes did not have the ability or more likely guts to drag off those two and get Vic, Gibson or Ross on the pitch (even if Gibson was not fit Felli & Barkley in MF who have done better - no question)

3) In the Semi last year Moyes played Cahill & Neville through loyalty - the game passed them by

The man's past his sell by date

Too many EFC fans do not like by the motto of our club and seem 'happy' that Moyes takes £80k plus a week and cannot make any decision when needed.

Time to move him on & get Martinez, Laudrup etc in

10 Mar 2013 19:11:42
Time to pack your bags Moyes. The man who should of been in charge yesterday beat you tactically and mentally. he wouldn't want 4 million either! let's have Martinez
Markyg

10 Mar 2013 20:20:03
The lack of ambition shown by our club in the recent transfer window is plain to see for all yesterday our midfield was crying out for someone to do something our squad is starting to show the cracks with its aging players osman I would say has seen his best football days as for fellani I was sat in the bullens and what I will say **** off right now to chelski if he wants to stick fingers at the fans who pay the hard earned cash to watch such a lack luster display they have every right to boo players who have there mind set on another club I for one will not step inside goodison till moyes and fellani are gone see you all in august

10 Mar 2013 18:21:51
DM saying that it was "just one of those days" is a meek and unacceptable explanation for a dismal FA Cup exit - now followed by that lot across the park going above us. It's the manager's job to make sure we don't have "just one of those days". Being beaten by the better side on the day is one thing, but not trying, let alone not performing, is just not on. If BK had any pride or sense of true leadership, he'd not wait until the summer for DM to make up his mind about a new contract and instead remove DM now. We're not getting relegated, we're out of the cup, we're unlikely to get into the European positions now, so just write off the rest of this season and let a new broom sweep clean as soon as possible. Too many false dawns, too many faded dreams, too many unfulfilled promises, too many heartbreaks, too many chances given to BK and DM to deliver something to be proud of that's not just a brief, tantalising, fleeting glimpse of what could (and should?) have been during the last decade or so

Totally agree. moyes should have earned his corn by preparing the team properly and sending them out "fired up". I think he underestimated wigan.
he has had numerous chances to win a cup and has blown every one.
If I was owner of Efc I would have bulleted him after that shambles and told stubbsy and sheeds to play some of the youngsters for the rest of the season

10 Mar 2013 17:52:37
A miserably abject capitulation to go out of the FA Cup followed by the dark side going above us in the league. Well done to BK, the board, DM, the coaching staff, and - most of all - the players for restoring normal service to the despairing fans. To those running and playing for our club: hang your heads in shame, you complete and utter wastes of space.

Well said Won, Have been meaning to say something similar, I have had a rant about Moyes but the players need to accept their share of the criticism also, if my bosses were making a balls up running the company where I work and not signing contracts etc, I wouldn't be able to get away with not doing my job properly.

10 Mar 2013 16:05:08
Now in its eleventh year: the Bill Kenwright production of "The Scottish Play" at the grand old Goodison theatre.
A tale of how years of unrequited devotion by thousands of believers was slowly and painfully destroyed.
How a fresh-faced Scottish warrior arrived as the man of the people's club, but was slowly worn down and eventually driven mad by demons (like the Red Devils).
How the baubles of success elsewhere lured the brightest and best to move to new lands.
A place where the young and hopeful were frustrated by old loyalties and a fear of adventure.
Marvel at how untold riches were squandered, while other regimes prospered.
Be astounded as the ancestral home crumbles around the old guard.
Tickets available in all sections. No boxes available. If you know your history, you'll love the lack of modern facilities in this ancient venue.
This show will run and run.

10 Mar 2013 13:58:32
makes yesterdays defeat even more disappointing to accept when you see either that one of Blackburn or millwall will be in the semi final.

It's partly the luck of the draw as to who gets into the semi-final, but here's a thought.
Clubs in the Champions League rest players during the early stages of the league cup, which is probably why "lesser" clubs win that completion - or get to the final - these days. After Christmas and the New Year - when the CL knockout stage begins and the top of the Premier League is taking shape for he run-in - the "bigger" clubs can also play to win the FA Cup.

10 Mar 2013 13:40:23
team for next match
mucha
stones duffy distin baines
kennedy gigson hitzleberger pinnear
mirralis vellios

fresh hungry players eager to prove a point, can't do any worse than yesterday, but we all know moyes will stick with same players well mr moyes if the new faces won't get a chance why did you sign them. let's face it who ever is in charge will have to replace distin neville both at the end of their careers, plus fellani will probably go so let's start playing the youngsters and plan life without them again they can't do any worse.

10 Mar 2013 14:19:52
martinez and moyes win nothing, I want RDM people may say he will stay down south but he did manage WBA

He didn't exactly pull any trees up at wba did he? And with that squad at chelski he could hardly do badly. He fluked a CL win by parking the proverbial double decker, other than that he had west brom down near the relegation zone. Martinez, Laudrup or Bilic for me

If you want RDM, you'll also need the squad he had at Chelsea if you expect him to win anything.

10 Mar 2013 13:07:53
Well, what can you say after yesterday?

A complete and utter shambolic performance from the players.

Team selection and tactics were poor, and that`s down to Moyes.

I can understand Felli`s frustration, seeing the team and finding out that Neville was playing centre midfield. It`s a bit like your missus telling you she`s organised a threesome and then you finding out she`s invited her nan round. Would you perform?

Not trying to defend his showing yesterday, but just can`t believe what happened! {Ed025's Note - that threesome analogy did make me laugh fish..

10 Mar 2013 12:29:22
its the frustration that's getting to us supporters! I think we, re all gratefull for what moyes has done! but its what he, s doing now that matters! its took him ten years to get as far as he can! he's not the be all and end all! the squad is their for a new manager whoever it may be to juggle with and change! and let's be honest, we are baically set up to contain teams even your wigans and readings e. tc! 1 up top every week. same old tactics its boring! we need a change! everton fc is big enough and strong enough to hold our own! wake up evertonians as one door closes another one opens!

10 Mar 2013 11:03:48
If you think about it, at the start of the year before beating man u how many people would've said we would be in 6th place only 7 points off the champions league and knocked out in the quarters of the fa cup. This is just like any other season of the past 3. SO QUIT MOANING, GET YOUR EVERTON SHIRTS BACK ON AND START SUPPORTING THE SIDE! COYB

You got it spot on there mate, basicly we are all hurting now, we are not in bad shape really. Hopefully a kick up the back side is what we needed to push on in the league.

Westy

That is all anyone says, but it's a little more complicate than that as when you have expectations, and you don't live up to them, fans get a little annoyed. Plus, it's not just results. If our team play to the best of their ability - which is what us, the PAYING fans, deserve, we would have won yesterday, or at least seen a very unlucky side lose which played very well. Problem is, we didn't. We saw a non existent footballing side that only really looked slightly interesting when our homegrown Toffee (Barkely) came on.

People are entitled to moan. It is this sort of 'everything is perfect and we are great' mentality that has made us go 19 years with winning bugger all. Getting knocked out in the quarters is nothing to be proud of, may as well of gone out in the 3rd round.

Mike

Fans have a right to moan after that loss to Wigan. They paid good money to watch their team play football, instead they saw 11 players who looked like they couldn't even be arsed to put the shirt on, never mind play. Should never be accepted by fans.

As for your first part of the comment, if you had told me that the team to knock us out of the cup was WIGAN ATHELTIC at GOODISON PARK, I wouldn't of accepted that.

Top 4, after the debacle of Jan 31, I kind of accepted as a long shot because squad depth is key to securing that top 4 position. But this side has no excuse for the FA Cup, this starting XI is good enough to match any side in the country and really the FA Cup was a very realistic opportunity for this side this season. So it is bitterly disappointing to get knocked out, especially given the circumstances.

Thank you lanky finally someone with cop on the way our fans behaved on here yesterday I taught it was the Kopites site I was on everybody has a right to be pissed of but don't behave like that shower across the way Stef the blue supporting the blues through good tiimes and bad

SO QUIT MOANING, GET YOUR EVERTON SHIRTS BACK ON AND START SUPPORTING THE SIDE! COYB

Was that Moyes` team talk at half time yesterday?

10 Mar 2013 10:18:26
Can't see any teams payin £20mill plus now for fellaini. after strolling yesterday without a care in the world. teams will think twice now. we could have done with that sort of cash aswell. what a moby!

Of course, because sides judge a player on one game and one game only.

Yes, he was incredibly bad yesterday, and that performance should not be tolerated, but on the whole of the season, he is one of, if not the main reason behind the position we are I the league and the fact we are even in the CL conversation. His goals, especially with Jelavic not firing at all, have been crucial to us this season.

The price will still be nearer to 30mil as opposed to 20mil, if no team matches that, too bad, he stays at Everton.

10 Mar 2013 08:42:39
Think the writings on the wall for moyes, and he wrote it himself thinks its time to say bye to DM. thanks for 11yrs but nothing as changed. all the other teams in the premier league look hungary when they play. we don't don't. no desire no plan b. no contract signed and felliani thinks he's bigger than the club. neville useless osman been terrible the last couple of months and yesterday a goalkeeper that don't move. time for a change!ryanfromleic.

10 Mar 2013 08:00:22
Oh well the morning after the night before still not getting any easier. Promising youth players time to stand up and show are so called first team international players what it means to wear the famous blue jersey the stage is now yours. let's try and salvage something from this disaster.

10 Mar 2013 10:35:28
The problem is mate our manager won't pick them, I think we would all like to see duffy, barclay, kennedy even lundstrum giving a go, but moyes just sends them out on loan or won't even try them he rather pick players with no pace no desire, and in some cases no ability, after that yesterday i'd have a bit more respect for moyes if he dropped at least 7or8 of them and gave the kids a go
Ste c

10 Mar 2013 06:48:28
I would now be very depressed if I heard moyes had signed a new contract

10 Mar 2013 03:36:14
When you get battered, its natural to feel angry. but once the water has settled a bit, we have to look logically at our failings for the past six weeks. Putting to one side the attitude problem today, Fellaini, for all his attributes, does not bring to the midfield speed or a cutting edge pass. and with Osman one paced. and Piennar lacking that extra yard. we are simply cumbersome in midfield. Mirallas and Coleman are the only pace players. The game is moving on again. not only is first touch so important but speed of movement. We get bogged down too often in centre field and as Martinez said, they planned to nullify our wide men. knowing that not much would come directly through the middle. Maybe Moyse thought Fer could bring that to us. but we are still in need of pace and guile in the middle and just a freshness of spirit. Moyse just looks knackered and at a loss about how to change things. But he might find by changing a few players around (and obviously jettisoning Neville) and giving a player like Barclay licence to run through the middle, we might pose a new threat and be less predictable. If there is no hint of investment coming, you have got to be bold with what you have. and if this season is not just to peter out, someone has to be dropped and at least a new face introduced to give us a bit of impetus. if not we could fall to mid table mediocrity which would be a shame after the brilliant first half of the season. Please, Moyse, live a bit more dangerously.
Oscar {Ed025's Note - good post oscar..

10 Mar 2013 00:40:56
giving a footballing lesson by the mighty Wigan in 3 minutes! I have to laugh or I will cry! Couldn't believe what happened today, gutted.
Why did Neville start instead of Gibson?
Phil, take a bow fella, and whilst your bowing, untie your boots and hang them up. Your finished. Call me a "kopite" or whatever it is you say when a fan dare's critisize a player but it's the harsh reality he is finished at this level. Fellaini is a joke, attitude was woeful, glad when Moyes subbed him. Didn't understand him taking Mirallas off, he was the only player looking hungry. Jelavic looks amature, Heitinga gets too close and is too slow.
Only players that deserve to be at the club are Baines, Distin, Coleman, Gibson, Mirallas, Osman the rest of them need to have a look at themselves after today. No heart or desire

NilSatis NisisOptimum? Don't make me laugh

Sorry for the spelling mistake "NilSatis NisiOptimum" and sorry for ranting, I am just so angry at what I saw today.

COYB

10 Mar 2013 00:05:31
Hi all, I am very disappointed with todays performance. Fellaini was a disgrace to the Jersey. I can except a player having an off day, but to float through a game
and just not care at all is unacceptable. I feel so strong about this that if I was Moyes I would but him in the reserves for the rest of the season and get him out in the summer. He should never play in the first team again. No player is bigger than the club. I would not like to see Moyes go but I believe he will, and if he does, I would do all I can to get Micheal Laudrup, I know he just signed a knew contract but that seems to mean nothing in the game today. Getting back to today, its the worst performance I have ever seen under David Moyes. Never thought I would see all 11 players have an off day. The game is up for a couple of players. Neville is finished. Distin is starting to show his age. Osman looks old and tired. Heitinga needs to move on. Mucha is just not good enough. I would keep Distin and Osman as squad players but Mucha, Neville, Heitinga and the shameful Fellaini must depart in the summer. Todays players out of 10. Mucha 6 Coleman 5. 5 Baines 5 Distin 4. 5 Heitinga 5. 5 Neville 3. 5 Osman 4 Pienaar 4 Mirallas 6 Jelavic 4. 5 and Fellaini 0. 5. Rant over.

Dero.

09 Mar 2013 23:40:23
We look 2 b in the same situation as Spurs last season uncertainty about the manager affected spurs performances when Harry was rumoured 2 b leaving and it looks like the same is happening with us we have not played we'll 4 a while and maybe it could b the time 2 blood some kids can't do any worse personally don't think Neville shudder play again he is past it can't run with the ball and can only pass from side 2 side he has been a good buy but his time has come 2 bow out